Eh? Who said that?
Oh, Jesus? Yah but what about Matthew 7? I thought we were never supposed to judge anyone or anything at any time? Isn’t that unloving?
One of the rules of biblical interpretation is this:
When there is a plethora of clear teaching on a topic and a few verses on the same topic that seem unclear or even contradictory, you don’t re-interpret the many clear verses in favor of the few unclear verses. I say this because most people agree with this, but they throw this rule away when it comes to the topic of judging matters.
So we’re all familiar with Matthew 7:1-5.
What we may be less familiar with are the verses that seemingly say something else (they don’t, but that’s for another day).
So let’s look at them.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 Hmm…what? Does he mean…I mean, are we supposed to really….eh? There’s more:
Galatians 2:11-21 Wow. That’s mean. He like, totally embarrassed Peter in front of the whole church. Wasn’t that a little judgmental? What right did he have to do that? And then in chapter 3 he starts off calling them fools and suggests that someone bewitched them. Gosh…
Here in 1 Timothy 1:19-20 Paul actually has the nerve to name names and pass judgment on these men and say publicly that they shipwrecked their faith. Then he says that he handed them over to Satan. Wow…the nerve.
In 1 corinthians 14:29 we’re told to weigh, or judge prophesying. We’re told in 1 Cor. 5 and 6 to judge sexually immoral people and kick them out of fellowship and that one day we will judge angels. In another letter to either Timothy or Titus, Paul says to take note of those who reject the apostolic gospel and rebuke them publicly so that all will be instructed. We previously saw Jesus say in John 7:24 that we are to judge. So in Matthew 7 He says not to do it with a plank in your eye and in John He says to do it righteously.
This is not meant to be a treatise. I’m actually leaving this open for more input from others with more time to write.
I was sorta moved to write this after reading many, many sentiments from christians who whine about being judged whenever they get under convicting preaching or whenever the truth is held up next to their behaviour. I’m tired of the whining. I’m tired of people saying things like, “aren’t we supposed to love?”, as if love has no place for being tough when needed. The bible says that a parent who doesn’t discipline his son hates him. Wow….spanking is love, ay? Love that never corrects is not love, it’s human sentiment; soulish sappyness that wants Jesus to be a sweatheart who loves everything about us and doesn’t want to change anything in our lives.
Pathetic.
No, it’s not okay to be a loud mouthed jerk or a legalistic idiot with stupid man made rules and call it holiness. It’s not even okay to say true things with a wrong spirit if it’s only you speaking from a pet peave with bible verses to back you up. Truth has to be spoken in love and when it’s not it kills. The kingdom of God is marked by peace, joy and righteousness; so if the way you express “truths” is not easily seen as coming from one of these three characteristics then you shouldn’t be talking. So I understand that people run their mouths with “truth” on their side and should shut up. If you’re out there reading this and “truth talkers” have ruined your life or just really given you a miserable time, I feel you. But that doesn’t mean that we never correct things or even say things that are jarring to other’s lives as we can see from scripture.
So pray that if you ever have to do this kind of speaking that you are known to be coming from a right spirit. Sometimes it’ll sound firey, sometimes it might sound loud, sometimes it’ll cause people to cry: and this can still be loving.
And if you’re one of these people who gets offended when your sin is talked about, try checking your heart before God before you cry “foul”. Paul told us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. So do it. Let convicting words work repentance in you. Worldly sorrow is death, godly sorrow leads to repentance that leaves no regrets. What are you afraid of? If it hurts to hear hard words and if it touches sacred area’s that you don’t want disruptred, then you most likely have a serious issue in your relationship with God.
You may need this.
In sincere love, (and a touch of my “personality”)
mark jr.
11 responses so far ↓
Samuel // December 9, 2007 at 2:24 am |
I read this verse today, I think it kind of goes along with godly corection and fleshly spouting at the mouth………
(2 Chor. 7:10) For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.11For see what earnestness this godly grief has produced in you, but also what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what punishment! (ESV)
Eddie // December 10, 2007 at 2:48 am |
“Truth has to be spoken in love and when it’s not it kills.”
mark,
I guess the questions that would come to mind is…..how is truth spoken in love??..:-). I was accused of not speaking truth in love…that I was too harsh.
Is it a matter of people’s opinions? Or how they feel when the truth is spoken. I FEEL uncomfortable when I listen to Paul Washer because his message hits me to the core. Does that mean his message isn’t in love? Maybe speaking truth in love is more like Joel Osteen…with a smile on your face and honey on your lips. Just some thoughts…..gots to get to bed.
Nighters!
mbaker // December 10, 2007 at 8:46 pm |
Eddie,
Conviction is a good thing, as my pastor taught yesterday in I Corinthians 4, if it brings us closer to the Lord. Sort of like what Mark, Jr. has been going through. However when it leads to such guilt that it drives us away from God, and we want to hide in shame from Him, that’s from the enemy.
Real conviction humbles us and makes us want us to humbly come to God for forgiveness, and take responsibility for repenting for our unrighteousness deeds so He can forgive and restore us. So conviction is the work of the Holy Spirit, showing us where we have gotten out of line with the Lord, so that we can get right with Him, but guilt that makes us avoid God and other Christians is from the enemy.
As far as other people go, they often confuse brotherly love and political correctness. The first is when we we speak about the issue as tactfully as possible, and not down the person in the process. When we have the currently popular thinking that other people should excuse or tolerate sin out a misplaced idea of love, that’s denial. And we saw how God reacted to that in the Garden.
By the same token, we can’t confuse motivational speaking, i.e. the kind of syrupy, feel good, pseudo religious pop physcology that Joe Osteen is currently preaching, which merely tickles our ears, and the conviction of God which comes when we hear a true word of God being spoken, that is rightfully challenging us to do better, such as some of Paul Washer’s sermons do.
Hope this helps.
God bless.
iseeitdifferently // December 11, 2007 at 12:05 am |
I would say that “love” isn’t a manner or tone so much as it is something that’s absolutely true inside of you. It may never sound like what people call “loving”, but then look at the prophets.
Heck, look at Jesus!
It kinda goes in the thread of thought that I’ve gleaned from Art’s book “Spirit of Truth”. Basically, if Reality isn’t in you, if real love (as God sees it) is not in you and if a love of truthfulness is not in you, then no matter how sappy you sound and how much you smile, you’ll never be truly loving. Paul Washer is, in my opinion, truly exhibiting love. It’s real love…it’s desperate love, it’s agonizing love. But it doesn’t sound cute or fuzzy, so the humanism in us rejects his speaking.
Hope that helps also…
…to sum it up, if it’s in you in Truth and you’re at peace in your conscience that it is so, preach it and let the chips fall where they may.
mark jr.
IWanthetruth // December 11, 2007 at 6:44 pm |
Mark,
:“…to sum it up, if it’s in you in Truth and you’re at peace in your conscience that it is so, preach it and let the chips fall where they may. “
I agree.. I recently responded to an e-mail that I recieved and I felt that my response was with honesty and truthfulness (which I thought was in true love of Christ) and thought that a true friendship with the person that sent me the e-mail could take that honesty. After his response, I discovered that it couldn’t take the honesty and after explaning myself, that because of my “love” for the word and what it said about the matter, that I felt I needed to be upfront with him. I even apologized 4 times in the e-mail. The next response was even worse. So as you say above, let the chips fall where they may is what I need to do. I was at peace about it in my conscience when I originally responded.
Thanks
Blessings
Samuel // December 11, 2007 at 7:55 pm |
I came across this verse today as i was in the scripture……..
John 5:30“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. (ESV)
When we judge with righteous judgment it must be in the WILL of our Father, and for the glory of Him. Not our will, our ministries, or our agenda.
But we must judge righteously as we need to, according ONLY to scripture. In the scripture, the gospel, you will find the WILL of our Father…….
I think the scripture here is pretty clear, and speaks great volume for itself.
God Bless.
mbaker // December 12, 2007 at 6:11 am |
Iwant,
I had very much the same kind of thing happen to me with two longtime friends, a pastor and his wife who were following the prophetic movement and getting way off base with the word of God. They wanted to teach at a Bible study we used to host in my business office about the latest radical craziness they were involved in. They got upset when I explained to them privately, and as tactfully as possible that we felt this movement was off base, and why, and they have not spoken to us since.
I’ve found there is a cost for following Jesus when you have to stand for God’s truth, instead of what people want you to believe. I am just now coming to understand what His ministry on this earth must have cost Christ in relationships. No spouse, no children, few friends, no comfortable home, nothing that we modern day Christians think is our right. He gave up everything we hold dear to carry out God’s will.
It hurts to lose valued friends, and I pray our friends someday will come to see that we had their best long time interests at heart. I hope that for you and your friend too.
Rob // December 12, 2007 at 2:57 pm |
Mark Jr.
In 2 Tim 4, Paul charges Timothy to preach the Word. He goes on to say that this involves three things– 1) reprove, 2) rebuke, and 3) exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
Two of those activities are pretty negative in connotation. The exhortation part implies a coming along beside. We forget that if preaching is Biblical, it will incorporate these aspects–all three. And all three require great patience (perseverence) and sound doctrine. By the way, sound doctrine in the next verse implies healthful. Not everything that is healthful goes down easily. That’s why folks are tending to not stand for sound doctrine.
Good post! God bless.
Angie Schmid // January 11, 2008 at 5:40 pm |
Thank you for the encouraging words…I have spoken in truth and love for a long time. Many times others do not want to hear the truth and say I am too bold or harsh or who am I to give such warnings. After losing more and more of my natural family members out of persecution and gaining threefold in church family I am blessed. Does anyone know anything about the anointing of the Elijah Spirit today?
Blessings!!!
Bill // January 12, 2008 at 7:31 pm |
>Does anyone know anything about the anointing of the Elijah Spirit today?
I’d rather be anointed with God’s Spirit today.
Angie Schmid // January 14, 2008 at 4:35 am |
Bill – Thank you for the insight and listening to God. You are the second person today who told me the same thing. It was a really “duh” moment for me.
Bless you for your honesty!!!